Obama's Birth Certificate—Ramona Attorney Continues the Fight in Court

A Ramona attorney will appear in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday as part of an ongoing effort questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship.

A Ramona attorney will go into the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday to continue questioning whether President Barack Obama is a United States citizen, in spite of the release of the president's long-form birth certificate this week.

Gary Kreep is executive director of the nonprofit in Ramona. He confirmed for Patch that he is due to appear in the court in Pasadena on Monday morning. He will be joined in the litigation by an attorney who is also a Mission Viejo dentist and Rancho Santa Margarita resident—Orly Taitz. Taitz says she will continue to ask the courts to decide the legitimacy of the president.

According to news reports, Taitz was fined $20,000 by a federal judge in Georgia in 2009 for pressing a lawsuit against Obama's citizenship in that state; she paid the fine, $17,000 of which came from supporters.

A phone message left for Taitz this morning by Mission Viejo Patch was not immediately returned. Various news agencies report Taitz is challenging the birth certificate because Obama's father's race is identified as “African” rather than “Negro.”

“I do have a census from 1960 and the only options are white, Asian or Negro,” Taitz was quoted by City News Service as saying. “I know it's not politically correct today, but in 1961 they did not write the race as African—they would write the race as Negro.”

Kreep is a graduate of UC San Diego in economics and the University of San Diego law school. He has practiced law since 1975, according to the justice foundation's website. In this interview, shown on the website, Kreep describes to a representative from The Western Center for Journalism why he feels the president's birth certificate issue is important. The organization published this story about Obama on its website.

The case is part of Drake vs. Obama, according to a spokesperson for the court. It will be heard by judges Harry Pregerson, Raymond C. Fisher and Marcia Berzon. There are two appeals that have been consolidated for argument. They are case numbers 09-56827 and 10-55084.

The courthouse is at 125 S. Grand Ave., Pasadena, CA 91105. For directions, click here. No cameras will be allowed in the courtroom unless prior approval is obtained. The case is on the 9 a.m. calendar, but it is the third case to be heard in the morning so an exact time of the hearing cannot be reported.

Julie Pendray contributed to this report.

Gail Serfass April 29, 2011 at 05:20 PM
Again I say to all the people that is concerned about this..............GET OVER IT!.....there are more important things to worry about in the United States.......and besides ......if something is a territory of a country that does not mean that they can have a name.......2nd just because the hospital was called what it says on the birth certificate doesn't mean that the thing is a fake.......they usually print the new name that the building has at the time it is reprinted........I know that because my state does it.......and my state doesn't put a raised seal on it ......it only puts the basic information on it ......I know of alot of establisments that do that ......my college for example does the same thing when you need a copy of you degree and transcripts.........they don't custom make the documents based on the year of the event......that would be do complicated.......so again I say GET OVER IT!......THERE ARE WAY MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT AND THIS LAWSUIT IS STUPID AND A LARGE WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY.
Gail Serfass April 29, 2011 at 05:29 PM
You need you head checked.....like I said in my comment above.....my birth certificate doe not have a raised seal.....they will not put the original name of the hospital that is was in 1961....they are going to print the name that it has today......and he is not the only president who has done anything wrong in the country......many others have.....and never have I have heard the responses about their wrong doings as with this president............GET OVER IT!
C. Davis April 29, 2011 at 06:23 PM
You have those people out there that are huge Obama supporters because they still have their heads stuck so far up their butts, that they still think Obama is going to make everything free. You have those people that are just down right bitter because we have this person in office and their choice lost. You have these other people that keep saying the same crap as "focus on the REAL issues like unemployment, etc" There are jobs out there, it's just twice as hard to get them because there are so many available candidates now. Fight the hard fight and get your life back on track. There is plenty of help out there, you just have to dig deep, educate yourself, fill tons and tons of paperwork out, and do double the research. Again, you need help, FIND IT because it's not going to knock on your door or ring your phone looking for you. The main point to all of this is that our very own law states that someone who is not an American Citizen cannot run for President. If this, clearly doctored, bc is not legit, we are really screwed. Because if he went to these lengths to cover that up, spent OUR money to pay the right criminals to cover it up, then what else has he lied about? Not to mention all the other criminals in OFFICE that helped cover it up. Yes, there have been many Presidents that have lied, I guess that is Politics, but this kind of a lie would literally make a mockery of our own Declaration of Independence, Political Laws and our entire Government body.
C. Davis April 29, 2011 at 06:33 PM
Gail Serfass...If you are going to try and sound so educated, can you PLEASE at least spell correctly and use the proper wording so that a normal person could try and understand what your point is. Which, by the way, you are not making a valid point. Here is what the LAW states: "The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics creates standard forms that are recommended for use by the individual states to document births. However, states are free to create their own forms.[22] As a result, neither the appearance nor the information content of birth certificate forms is uniform across states. These forms are completed by the attendant at birth or a hospital administrator, which are then forwarded to a local or state registrar, who stores the record and issues certified copies when requested. PLEASE NOTE HOW IT STATES EACH STATE MAY DIFFER YET EVERY FORM IS FILLED OUT BY THE ATTENDANT AT BIRTH OR A HOSPITAL ADMIN. FORWARDED TO A LOCAL OR STATE REGISTRAR, STORED AND MAINTAINED FOR COPIES. Where does it state that they UPDATE the information to the current times? Example: New name on hospital, new country, state, etc.??
C. Davis April 29, 2011 at 06:41 PM
Also, Gail Serfass, here is the LEGAL description of a Legal Certified Birth Certificate in the United States: "A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth."
Gail Serfass April 29, 2011 at 06:57 PM
that is all well and good...and i apologize for my spelling but sometimes I choose to type abbreviations to make sure I have enough room to make sure I have room for my comment. What state law are you reading because as I said, I went and looked at my state's birth certificate, which is not California, and my state does not put on a raised seal of the state(NJ). At least that was at the time of my birth, and I had to get a copy of my birth certificate for my marriage license and it still does not have the name of the state. Also the hospital that I was born in had a different name in 1970 and when I received my copy in 2007 it still did not have a raised seal of the state of NJ. I am just saying that there are more things to worry about than this, and if you don't like or agree with it, well then tough.
C. Davis April 29, 2011 at 07:03 PM
Gail...this came from your own state at this web address: http://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/faq.shtml#BIR How do I know if the copy of my birth certificate is acceptable for the Division of Motor Vehicles, Passport or for proof of age or citizenship? Your record must be issued by the local office of vital records where the birth occurred or the Office of Vital Statistics and Registry and must contain a raised seal. Some entities require the document to have been issued within the last two years. Complimentary copies issued by a hospital are not valid. Please see related information if your birth certificate was issued by the Jersey City – Hudson County Vital Records Office.
Naeok Sadzewicz April 30, 2011 at 03:46 AM
the state of Hawaii verified and has a link to Obama's Birth Certificate, that makes it Official no need for a forensic expert, if you believe it is fake call the FBI, call the Canadian Mounties, arrest eveyone in Hawaii for waterboarding to find Elvis as he knows where the Kenyan BC lis located. What a waste, he will be lucky if he is not sanctioned
Naeok Sadzewicz April 30, 2011 at 04:05 AM
"The Hospital wasn't called Kapiolani Maturity & Gynecological Hospital . 'yes it was, on my daughter's 1965 Hawaii BC as well as the 1961 birther touted Nordyke Twins BC it clearly states Kapiolani Maturity & Gynecological Hospital (google Nordyke Twins) . Where do you get your totally wrong info from. That plus every publiication from 1958 tru 1970 says Kapiolani Maturity & Gynecological Hospital How do you get this phony info, This issue is over!
Russ Ann Zazas May 01, 2011 at 06:10 PM
If you go on the internet to Barack Obama's Kenyan birth Certificate you will find a seal, foot print and more. This is why he has spent millions of dollars and did not provide his birth certificate.
tomt May 02, 2011 at 03:06 AM
@Dick, i hate to burst your bubble but i looked at a long form birth cert, from some one that had twins at the same hospital one day after Obama was supposedly born, and on that BC it listed the hospital and it has the same thing as in your post, now let me tell you also i am one of the non-believers ( i won't lower my self to be called a " birther " ), but there is also some more damning evidence against Obama in looking at that BC of the twins, the numbers on them 2 BC's are lower in number then the one on Obama's supposed, when in fact they were born the day after Obama, so Obama should have a lower number but he doesn't, so some thing fishy there also. In case you want to look it up search " Eleanor Nordyke birth certificate in hawaii", or try this link http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Gail Serfass May 02, 2011 at 03:37 AM
ok .....how do you really know that the one that you are talking about is not just as doctored as the one you say is doctored by Hawaii........you can't prove that it wasn't......did any of you go to Kenya and actually look at it in the flesh....do you realize the capabilities of the media arts these days......and the same could be said for the one from Hawaii for that matter......I still believe that there are better things to discuss than this in this country....and all this shows is how stupid we look as a country when it comes to not trusting
bytheway May 02, 2011 at 06:39 PM
you have tunnel vison. Open them up. so many mistakes on that certicate. He admitted ON TV that he was a muslin and was not an American, He said that he was born in Africa. Do you doubt his word???
Gail Serfass May 02, 2011 at 07:10 PM
by the way ms. davis.....I did go down to Trenton to get my birth certificate.....and they told me that I was allowed to get my birth certificate from the town that I was born in and that I did not need to go throught the vital stat office in the state.....the thing about the Hudson County doesn't matter to me in the least because I lived there and lived through it and they had closed that office before I had gotten married. So don't try and lecture me on what my state website says.....I have have a seal, but it is a seal of the city that I was born in and that city was not required apparently to have everyone go through the state as I found out from my 3 hr ride down there to make sure that everything was ok....and for the record the original birth certificate that I had when I was born was not a complimentary copy from the hospital because we were not allowed to get them from the hospital back then.......I just think that this topic is a beaten horse that is being beaten over again and has too much attention already.....and it is just showing a complete lack of disrespect for the presidency no matter who was in office.....and may I also add that I am listed as a democratic on paper but I do not believe alot of what they say....on either party....and if there is any other person .....repub , dem, or whatever out there that actually believes that anyone in a political office listens to a word the people say then they need to get their heads checked
Doug Curlee May 02, 2011 at 07:44 PM
no, the law does NOT say that..the law says both parents must be citizens IF THE CHILD IS BORN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES. one of my brothers was born in ontario, canada..but because both parents were americans..(californians, in fact) there was and is no question about his american citizenship. Barack Obama was born in hawai'i.. give it a rest..it's getting really, REALLY old.
RJ Calabrese May 04, 2011 at 12:55 AM
KB, KB, KB You need to be educated and learn the consitution. Only an elected president (not all US citizens) need to be a Natural Born Citizen. This requires both parents to be US citizens. Obama may be a US citizen (if his certifacite is legit) but he is not a Natural Born Citizen required by the Consitution. I don't believe our nation is trying to destroy Obama, but they are trying not to destroy the US Consitution. KB, maybe you should stop rolling on the floor and stand up for what is right!
James May 05, 2011 at 06:45 AM
I have doubts like others. Suppose the Ink on the Origional is tested. If He is a U S citizen Okay My BAD, But why create this Illusion to begin with? Reguardless, His track record of doing the will of the majority, creating a deeper debt for everyone and Bailing CEO's out of their own mess Doesn't help tax payers. I didn't vote for him and will NOT Again.
Naeok Sadzewicz May 08, 2011 at 02:08 AM
Te State of Hawaii has released and certified Obama's Birth Certificate their official statement is at : http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.” TheBirther issue is over, unles you can explain how the official agency in charge can make a fraudulent certificate. No court in the US would question the state's statement in above link. So you can see no need for forensics. the Salt Lake Tribune said ""Anyone who remains a birther should seek treatment from a psychiatrist for paranoia."
bytheway May 08, 2011 at 12:00 PM
Yes, he spent millions to hide a lot of things. What about the 3 trillions he sent to Kenya the minute he became "president"? I watched the video before he decided ro run for the presidency. He said that he was a muslim and that he was born in Kenya, " and look at where I am today!" He admitted it and the "sheep" say "NO", lol. That certiciate of birth has so many mistakes in it but you sheep don't want to see it. I'm glad that I am old but I do feel sorry for my kids, grandkids and my great grandkids, they will suffer because of the sheep here in America.. They will never know the USA like I remember it. In an interview after this fake certiciate was out,. they asked him (obama) about his birth in Hawaii, and he hesitated and said, with a fake smile , " just say that I was there" What more proof do you want, he is making asses out of you and laughing all the way to the bank. And having a lot of free vacations. WAKE UP.
Naeok Sadzewicz May 08, 2011 at 04:21 PM
"Suppose the Ink on the Origional is tested. " no need for that, Hawaii has officially verified and certified Obama's Birth Certificate http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf The Birther issue is over!
Gail Serfass May 08, 2011 at 04:37 PM
@ bytheway......ok....first off .....all the presidents, senators and congressmen get free vacations on us....and do you really think that only the president ruined the future for your kids, grandkids and great grand kids.....their future is also ruined by the great number of idiots that we all as Americans voted in this past election......like the crier of the House....and the other morons that took office recently....there is nothing more that I can't stand about this is only the figure head of the United States is blamed for all the wrong.....HE DID HAVE HELP!
LG May 21, 2011 at 07:40 AM
Yes, the issue is over. He was not eligible in 2008 and nothing has changed since then to make him eligible in 2012. I will not be voting for him nor anyone else who does not meet the basic Constitutional requirement. If the GOP were to run a non-NBC, I will find a 3rd party. A vote for a 3rd party may be like throwing ones vote away, but that is better than breaking the law. I know this will draw flames, but nothing you can say will change my position.
Gail Serfass May 21, 2011 at 05:44 PM
@LG....so if you think the issue is over then why write the comment.....I know I didn't need to know about whether you will vote for him again and @ the RJ Calabrese person who commented on the natural born part.....you don't have to have both parents to be a natural born citizen.....you only need at least one to be a citizen of the United States.....and if you read the Constitution, which I just did, it does not even define ones definition of "natural born" and it doesn't say anything about both parents being citizens, it justs says, ......." No person exept a natural born Citizen, or a citizen of the United states, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen years a Resident within the United States."......so if you don't like the man then don't vote for him again....it is that simple and the issue is over....and if the birthers don't like oh well ....you put up a good fight anyway and well you can't do anything about it till 2012....so give it a rest
LG May 21, 2011 at 05:59 PM
I have read all of those things, the background info and the early court statements. I stand on my post above.
Doug Curlee May 21, 2011 at 09:23 PM
which puts me in mind of the hoary old comment.. "..there is none so blind as he who WILL NOT see.." i've actually come to feel a little sorry for some of the birthers..that they can so easily be deceived.. there's another comment that needs to be remembered here.. "..the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.." josef goebbels..hitler's propaganda minister.
bytheway May 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM
Gail, are you an expert? Why are you defending obama like you are? Is he related to you? I sure hope not. If the experts say that this so called certiciate is layered and they have proved it , who are you to judge? You talk about pressing issues, who created them.? He is here to run the USA to the ground. What about Isreal? HE wants to be a world leader, no way, he isn't smart enough. He is a muslim first, he admitted, he has to use a teleprompter because he know chit himself. He is told what to say. What about Eric Holder, another mistake. Open your eyes before it's too late. we are being sold out by this misfit. Is it because he is 1/2 black? "Thou protest to much".
Gail Serfass May 22, 2011 at 06:46 PM
@ by the way......for your information I am not related and no I am not an expert.....but I am a person who knows that when a topic has been challenged in a court of law and has been said to have the correct item then I am not going to continue the arguement any futher......I could still have my doubts....but as a realist I also know that no matter how much protesting that I do ....I will not be able to find a solution to the problem until the next election....so I have to tough it out....done it for the 8 years with Bush, his dad, Clinton and now with Obama.....I will not continue to whine on a topic that the courts are dealing with or have dealt with.....it is like being a sore loser in a game....and making the suggestion that I could be related to the President because I don't think that the birthers should continue this ridiculous arguement makes me wonder if you are don't like him because he is black and that you might think that I am black or partially black....you don't know me and I don't know you....I have never said that you are stupid or said your opinion is stupid ....even if I believe it is ....it is still your opinion....whether I like it or not.
LG May 24, 2011 at 12:37 AM
Dear Gail and Doug, Like I said above, "Flame away."
Gail Serfass May 24, 2011 at 02:50 AM
@LG......nothing like being an adult.....don't like what the comments are and can't handle the heat of a debate in a grown up way so you resort to negativity.....very adult
LG May 24, 2011 at 04:24 AM
Debates in places like these prove nothing, for me nor for you. Turn on the flames, I do not give a rip.


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