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Caltrans Shows Options for SR-67 Median Barrier Project

Photosimulation from the Caltrans display showing a concrete median barrier.
Photosimulation from the Caltrans display showing a concrete median barrier.

What do you think would make driving on Route 67 safer- a concrete, cable, or metal median barrier, or simply extra striping? 

As part of the early stages of the "SR-67 Median Barrier Project," Caltrans held a public workshop last week at Olive Peirce Middle School displaying potential project alternatives for a stretch of road that sees its fair share of traffic accidents. 

Staff was on hand to provide info, answer questions about the project and take comments from residents about how they think the project should proceed.

Caltrans said the primary purpose of this project is to reduce the number and severity of accidents on Route 67. Alternatives considered include a concrete median barrier, a high tension cable median barrier, a metal median barrier and a median buffer. The median would be constructed along the majority of the road between Willow Road and Shady Oaks Drive.

Speaking with local firefighters and paramedics at the workshop they indicated that the stretch of 67 between Shady Bend and Archie Moore Rd. sees the most deadly crashes.

Estrada said that Caltrans will be meeting with various community planning and homeowner groups in the affected areas, especially concerning potential affects on fire evacuation plans.

One issue with median barriers is that some driveways would no longer be able to turn left onto SR-67. To remedy this Caltrans plans to install turn-arounds at strategic spots.

The next step for the project is the preparation of an Environmental Impact Report. Estrada said Caltrans may hold additional open house workshops in the future, but a formal meeting will be held in the spring. He said depending on the median alternative chosen, the project might break ground in early 2017.

Staff at the workshop said the ultimate goal for Route 67 is a four-lane highway, which, according to the SANDAG Transportation Plan, may happen by 2050.

Comment on the project can be emailed to ct.public.information.d11@dot.ca.gov or mailed to the Caltrans District Office at 4050 Taylor Street MS-121 San Diego CA 92110.

COMMENT: Which median alternative do you think would be best?

Kathlene August 27, 2013 at 03:00 PM
include a concrete median barrier, a high tension cable median barrier, a metal median barrier? pls us concrete and I will tell you why.... First all the other options require a lot more repairs which means you are exposing the crew to hazards while repairs are made and to make any repairs it is going to require closures, be it one way traffic control or complete road closure. With traffic going on both sides of the barrier the chances of it getting hit quite often is very high, especially if they have no shoulder in the middle. with that in mind, let the whining begin when the repairs are made. In the past I worked this route quite a bit. I was so embarrassed of Ramona, because,yes, I live here in Ramon... the whining that went on, how many times we were asked to pick up the closures due to the complaints. You all complain about how bad the roads are and then complain when we went to repair it. Most of all help protect the crews that will have to go and do the repairs, yes, just like police officers, fire crews, etc. We know it is a dangerous job and that is what we get paid for doing. But I am asking to please help by choosing concrete. Thanks!
Denise Lipsett Hazlitt August 27, 2013 at 07:28 PM
Concrete please.
essence.smile August 27, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Have you ever just watched the traffic in Ramona on the side streets? Most of the drivers in Ramona need to take a drivers education class. They need to stop texting and talking on cell phones when they drive. It is amazing how many stop in the middle of cross walks or half way out into the lane that has no stop signs. How about turning signals? Ramona is a dangerous place to walk because of the in attention drivers have while driving. They do not pay attention to what is going on. If they did pay attention there would be less accidents. If they would stop as they should at a stop sign and then proceed with caution as the drivers manuel says there would be less accidents. If they drove according to the speed limit there would be less accidents. Instead barriors have to be put up just to accomidate people who do not want to follow the drivers manuel while on the road. They believe they are above the law and are a law unto them selves.
Ann Runser August 28, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Highway 17 from San Jose to Santa Cruz is a great example of the barriers working. There used to be head on accidents every week and head on accidents usually end in death. Now that they have added the barriers the deaths on the 17 have decreased SIGNIFICANTLY. I am all for it even if it cause a little traffic or whatever. Bring it on!
ciocca1 August 28, 2013 at 01:20 AM
Everyday I drive the 67 and I think that the road needs concrete barriers. Mentally it just makes sense.....doesn't it? Seriously....it's like duh! Let people not paying attention scrape off the barrier instead of other vehicles.
c. Manina August 28, 2013 at 05:15 AM
How well would any of these barriers work in the need for town evacuation as happened in the 2007 firestorm? Would they prevent the opening of multiple lanes leading out of town? If so, shouldn't this decision be discussed also with groups planning evacuation strategy?
kmich2000 August 28, 2013 at 11:49 AM
Exactly how will the Median Barrier prevent vehicles from crossing over? If I recall correctly, many accidents were the result of vehicles crossing over into oncoming traffic. I hope this option is not given serious consideration......
ELIJAH August 28, 2013 at 02:21 PM
I think that the best solution, would be the high tension cable barrier. My first reason for saying that is because of safety in regard to survivability in a crash. The first question we should ask ourselves when considering which medium would be best is... "Which one of these methods do I want to crash into?" When we look at it in this way we realize that we are deciding what we personally want ourselves and our loved ones to crash into. And when I look at it in this way, the high tension cable barrier is favored. One reason is because when you crash into a cable barrier the impact is absorbed by the cables which results in less jerking in the car. As opposed to a concrete barrier which will give me the feeling of hitting a brick wall. This will give me more of a chance of bashing my head on something in the car. This also will result in a more severe seatbelt crash against your body. This reason would be more important for pregnant women who would rather have a less jarring feeling in a crash. So the survivability and the overall crash experience if we are unfortunate to have one is not as life threatening as crashing into a concrete wall in my opinion. My second reason for favoring the high tension wires is the aftermath. Sometimes when a vehicle crashes into a concrete barrier it moves out slightly into the oncoming traffics lane suddenly. Which leaves the potential for a crash on the opposite side of the road as a result of part of the wall protruding out into traffic. High tension wires do not have that result. And my last reason is because it is quick and easy to repair. Basically basically they just slide in a new post into a hole that's been created for it attached the wires and there done. I think the time could be decreased by a lot using high tension wires instead of needing to bring a truck to move the concrete blocks back. This is just my opinion I have not studied it super thoroughly but this is what I've come up with.
ELIJAH August 28, 2013 at 05:23 PM
Crash Test on a verge http://youtu.be/1DmHZRULAHQ
ELIJAH August 28, 2013 at 05:25 PM
here is video in realtime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4oaiCX8i3k&feature=share&list=PLeFOcxiLVWxtyAmLZl4E5B2okVYn8SBE1
c. Manina August 29, 2013 at 03:16 AM
@Elijah, when watching these video's I see your point of view from being the one to hit the barrier, however notice that the cables allow the vehicle to cross quit far beyond the cable structure. So the cable barrier is only as good as the amount of space left beyond it to buffer oncoming traffic. Would there be extra space on each side of a divider on Hwy67 to allow a buffer zone for oncoming traffic? The cable doesn't really protect oncoming traffic, it just prevents a vehicle from crossing completely into all oncoming lanes. So buffering space is critical if this method is to be used safely. Is that space available?
Heather Crowder August 29, 2013 at 04:14 AM
Well said Kathlene! I hope they put more thought into this project then the ones in the past. More often then not they forget about us(Employees) out there on foot repairing the damage. Yes, I too live here in Beautiful Ramona, drive up and down the same roads and WORK on these San Diego Highways. In my 22 years of working the highway, it is well known that the safety of the traveling public comes first! They preach about safety for the employees, but when it comes down to the planning and designing they soon forget about the workers that have to repair the damages. It all comes back to $$$. The cable barrier may be cheaper, but it is more exposure time for the workers to make repairs. The concrete wall may be the more expensive way to go. but it is the best and safest way! The walls and barriers are designed to absorb the impact and deflect the vehicles from going into oncoming traffic. Reducing and stopping head an collisions is the whole point of this project. The designers do their best to try to maintain the beauty and still keep the traveling public safe although, they NEED to remember the workers doing the repairs as well. Now many of you may not agree, but that's ok. we all have our own opinions. Just remember besides your safety, the "DESIGN" they decide on will also affect your drive time and the safety of the workers when closures are set up, be it one way traffic or closing the road to make the repairs and to make it safe for you again. Many of you may think we want to mess up your day ,but that's not true. We really do everything we can to keep the traveling public safe and moving. Please remember to keep a watchful eye for all the workers on all the highways. We too are Fathers, Mothers, Grandfathers, Grandmothers sons, daughters and grandchildren. R.I.P. to all of our fallen workers.
ELIJAH August 30, 2013 at 01:59 AM
Not to sound smart or anything, but if we did not have the space it would not be an option, Yes i do believe we have the space.....Just the existence of the median will reduce collisions, but yes the car will enter the opposite lane some, but my original point was that concrete barriers could move into the opposite lane as well and stay there. No option is perfect but if my daughter crashes into it, I want her to survive, I really don't care about the repairs at that point or the complaining, or the whining. As long as she is alive...Im happy.
ELIJAH August 30, 2013 at 02:00 AM
@c. Manina, forgot to put that...
ELIJAH August 30, 2013 at 02:08 AM
http://youtu.be/WG89EmezYts concrete barrier sliding out
c. Manina August 30, 2013 at 05:31 AM
@Elijah and other interested parties: Perhaps I should make myself clearer. Looking at the proposal slide in the above article labeled @3, notice how little space is allowed on each side of the cable barrier. Now look at the crash test videos the Elijah posted for the cable barriers. See how far the crash vehicle can spring that cable? Now look at slide #4 of the proposal showing the median buffer rendering. See how wide that painted barrier is? Why not combine the width of the median buffer with the cable barrier running down the middle of it!? You have the protection of the physical barrier with the space that will also protect oncoming traffic no matter which direction. Elijah, wouldn't you're daughter have an even better chance of surviving a cable barrier crash if her vehicle also did not bounce over into an occupied lane? Also, wouldn't the extra space give cal-trans crews more repair space? The proposed renderings for the concrete barrier nor the cable barrier allow space for the shift of a cable-flung vehicle or a shifted concrete barrier extending into oncoming traffic. But a combination of that vehicle width median painted barrier with either the cable or concrete barrier could solve the issue of involving on-coming traffic. I'm only trying to say we need a physical barrier PLUS space in order to survive a crash in this area. Not complaining or whining here. Just trying to make a clear point that should be discussed now instead of after decisions have been made. Thanks for taking the time to read my winded explanations! :-)
ELIJAH August 30, 2013 at 01:15 PM
I LOVE that diea....good job
ELIJAH August 30, 2013 at 01:15 PM
idea
ELIJAH August 30, 2013 at 01:31 PM
I vote Combination Cable/Buffer solution!
Kathlene October 23, 2013 at 09:16 PM
http://youtu.be/WG89EmezYts First let me say, yes that is a concrete barrier, we call that K-rail. It has obvious hinge pts. Caltrans would not install that type of barrier on 67 for that exact reason, it moves. The type of concrete barrier they most likely would install is the solid barrier just like the one you see down the hill at the lower potion of 67, in Lakeside.

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